Premises of Social Circle Club Game(bradp+ some replyes)

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1st Premise: Girls are trying not to go home with a "random guy."

Girls in clubs are subjected to massive amounts of stimulation. They have people pumping their buying temperature in 15 different ways the whole time. They want to fuck SOMEBODY. But there are huge adverse effects to fucking a "random guy." Loss of social proof, rumors about being a slut, bringing down the value of her girl-team...and that's just the beginning.

So they normally try to avoid fucking the "random guy" as it is considered poor form. They are bitching about it all the time-
"This RANDOM GUY just hit on me, it was so creepy."

"what's with all these RANDOM GUYS grinding up against me on the dance floor?"

Is there SOME appeal to fucking a random guy? well yeah, women have secret fantasies about doing a random guy behind a dumpster in the parking lot. These are the kinds of fantasies they try to keep inside and never let it happen in real life. Can you get laid as a random guy? Yes, but it is fucking hard! I know, I've fucked plenty of random girls behind dumpters in parking lots. It aint easy. It's like swimming uphill. Fucking a random person you just met is more of a male fantasy than a female fantasy.

I did months and months of club game and got into the innermost circles of the club business, and here's what I found. These club girls will normally walk around all night getting their buying temp pumped like crazy...then they usually fuck a guy from their social circle. Players can rarely get past the random guy stigma, the CBs, the logistics, etc. Sometimes a really good looking buff guy can get past it, usually the average ASFer can't.

There is FAR less social danger in fucking a guy who is a known member of her peer group. She can leave in a cab with him and people won't even think they fucked, cause everyone is already friends. It can be kept secret. Or it can be a known thing and it's no big deal. I once fucked 6 girls in the same social circle and no one got mad about it, cause I was an accepted member of the group, and in that group everyone was fucking eachother.

Premise #2: You must enter peer groups from the top

There's no working your way up in club game. If you come in as a nobody off the street, there's not much room to move up. you have to make the rigght connections quickly, before anyone even notices what's going on.

Premise #3- know the right people
It's not the bartender. it's not the door guy. Maybe in bar game it's good to know the bartender, but it doesn't help much in clubs. This is a myth that if you kkow the door guy you're golden. BS. All he can do is get you in free. That's almost worthless in terms of getting laid. I've heard this doorman thing quite a few times, and now whenever I hear it it's just a red flag that tells me this person probably doesn't actually know much about pulling from clubs and he's just repeating what he heard.

Premise 4: The club is not cooler than you.

The way they set this stuff up, it's supposed to make you feel inferior so you will dump tons of cash trying to get in, fit in, pay for tables, etc.

The reality is that the clubs need you more than you need them. You just have to know how to implement this principle. It starts with not assuming that the club is cooler than you are.

Premise 5: You don't need 1000 cold approaches in club game.

That's unlikely to get you laid by the hottest girls. That's old school ASF doctrine from before we had the advanced technology we have today and it gets misinterpreted often.

1000 cold approaches is for newbies. It should be done in daytime or bar game, or maybe the occasional night of club game. The purpose of the 1000 approaches is to purge you of social anxiety and teach you basic social skills. Even successful cold approaching in clubs most often results in flaky phone numbers and sloppy drunken make outs.

Plenty of people have failed with this one so don't feel bad. These australian guys emailed me a few months back that they wanted me to fly in and train them because they had literally cold approached EVERY SINGLE WOMAN in their area in clubs and not gotten laid once. The problem here is that these guys were not making adjustments to their process. They were just doing the same thing over and over hoping to get a different results. To me that's nuts and i would never do it. I would never do ANTYHING 1000 times and not succeed. You have to adjust. I was adjusting this cold approach strategy before I even got to 100 cold approaches in clubs.

I've gotten laid from clubs on cold approaches and I could come on here and teach you that, but it's just a huge uphill battle and you should do it the easier way. My game was ON FIRE getting laid on cold approaches and I also employ some insanely extreme tactics (pheromone kid stuff). The average ASFer is not going to be able to duplicate that level of game, and may be turned off by such extreme tactics.

Social circle game provided a constant flow of 9s and 10s. Models, go-go dancers. etc. After a few weeks of set-up time with the social circle, there was very little gaming needed to pull these girls.

Brad P.

re:bradp

You enter peer groups from the top by understanding the social structure, identifying top members, and entering as a friend of the top members, never as a member of the clubs general population. Generally it is the promoters of the club who are at the top of the social structure.

re:bradp

I'm talking about club chicks. They have a different psychological profile. They're competive liek all women, but more hedonistic. They are constantly trying to keep their state up and that is all they do all night. So they use drugs, sex, booze, kino, etc to keep up state. They sort of have this unwritten agreement that everyone in the club should be helping to keep up the states of others. I think that's why they don't hate on my player ways as much as regular girls would.

re:ijjjji

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	Premise #2: You must enter>peer groups from the top

You must add something (presence/statewise) when you enter but it can perfectly well be sexual vibe or silent confidence. No need to be more energetic than girls.

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	>Premise #3- know the right>people

Lol - you actually said this is BS-advice, and I agree in regard to door-men, DJs etc. HBs are a TOTALLY different story. At least for me. When I go clubbing with one HB, girls go mad trying to dance next to me and so on - much more than with other guys mixing with HBs. (Pretty weird - maybe because bald guy + HB means RICH or FAMOUS?)

re:bradp

hey ijjji go to to see ya.
what i mean by "the top" is through the people at the top of the social structure, not in terms of high energy. you are absolutely right about not needing anything different and yes it can be silent confidence. When i do this system i use zero routines and very little actual conversation. It's all just coming into the circle in the right way then being heavy on kino and sexual communication. longwinded conversation shows you "don't know how to party" as most conversations in dance clubs last less than 3 minutes and that is considered normal behavior.

Baron is 100% correct, it's about the warm introductions. it's not about tables or anything like that, although it doesn't hurt. Having a table will not help you much unless it is a table with the right people at it, the people who are well known. Getting your own table with your own outsider friends is far less productive IMO.

Baron can answer some questions on this as well since I've been teaching it to him for a while. I've been giving seminars on this and teaching it to people for several months already with excellent results, this is not something I just pulled out of my ass and started posting about. The system was carefully developed over the course of 6 months and then I made sure students can apply it successfully (not just me, but regular guys too). I did all that BEFORE posting anything about it cause I don't ever want to add any speculaitve, non-tested BS to this enviromnent, and we all should be careful of that. The only thing that was previously on here was my LRs from the R&D phase and this review from the Dallas Seminar by ASD77840-
http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/fs?action=9&boardid=2&read=62229&fid=114

I also should add a bit of info on what kind of social circles i'm talking about in reference to FVs post. There's the 3 girls that show up together, that's not quite what i mean. Those three girls, after they arrive, join a larger group with 3 guys and 5 more girls. They don't arrive together, but they are regulars to the club, high status regulars. that's where you need to be. These groups normally have more women than men in them. the men in the general population cant penetrate these groups, as they are perceived as "random guys" and come in with all sorts of over agressive or AFC game. All they do is pump BT, then the 3 guys in the peer group clean up. If you can fuck the girls good and do all sorts of David Shade» deep spot stuff, t hey all talk about it and you become the "Home Depot of Sex." When you need something, that's where you go. That's the idea. At that point, cold approaching is a cute little party trick, but it's not what you rely on to get a stable sex life.

These peer groups are constantly being refreshed with new SHBs. A few girls stop coming to the club, but club promoters are on the streets pulling in new girls all the time. So it creates a dymanic system- some girls leaving, new ones coming. At that point the new girls want to associate with a established guy (you) and once again it's easy to clean up. one of my friends does this, and he doesnt even have game. he's already fucked most girls in the club who are regulars, now he just waits for the new girls to come in. They are trying to get established, and they do so by fucking him. the guy gets more ass than a toilet seat. he's a funny looking guy with no game. amazing. but he's like a crocodile- an ambush predator.

Brad P.

http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/fs?action=9&boardid=2&read=64180&fid=23